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Chelation Therapy Impatience
Posted by: johnsdunn
Date: September 14, 2007 2:14 PM

We emailed in June about my Dad and you recommended chelation therapy and a good doc. My dad has atherosclerosis and diabetes type 2. He's 75, about 30 lbs. overweight. He found a local doctor who has given him about 20 chelation therapy treatments so far. In the past 2 months, he has had a couple of very encouraging days without the dizzies and yet still with lower leg pain. Last week, he spoke to some other patients who told him they had gotten relief after only 20 treatments. So Dad is getting impatient and wants to go in and get another MRA at the VA to see if his carotids have gone down from 84% restriction in March '07. If they have, he’ll continue. If they haven't, he wants to quit doing the therapy, because he thinks his remaining symtoms must be coming from peripheral neuropathy which he has heard is a product of diabetes. He says, of course, the doctor wants me to wait until I get 50 treatments and then go to get another MRA. What can I tell him to persuade him to trust his doctor and follow through?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at September 14, 2007 3:24 PM by Dr. Kennedy.

Re: Chelation Therapy Impatience
Posted by: drron
Date: September 20, 2007 6:37 PM

He has had a rather low number of treatments to make a judgment on outcome. Frequently, in advanced cases, we do not see results until 40-80 treatments. Like Rome, this illness was not created in a day, or even 20 days, and like Rome it will not be dismantled in a short period of time. As to the "product" you write about, it is hard to comment as you did not mention what it is. In general there is no interference between other therapies and chelation therapy.

Re: Chelation Therapy Impatience
Posted by: drron
Date: September 21, 2007 4:53 PM

I have no experience with it, so I can't comment.

Re: Chelation Therapy Impatience
Posted by: johnsdunn
Date: September 27, 2007 10:50 PM

Dad is going in tomorrow to get an MRA with a new doctor. After exactly 20 treatments, and given the gradual nature of them, his common sense tells him he should be at least somewhat less clogged than his March test of the carotids at 84%. Even if the results are not dramatic, shouldn't it be down a little, say to 75% or 80%, a 4% margin of error included? I told him it might be that after 1/3 of the treatments, he gets no noticable results, but after 2/3 , he gets 50%. In other words, it might work slow at first and fast later. He says he's going to quit if there's absolutely no improvement. Is he being unreasonable? How can I persuade him to continue, regardless of the MRA?

Re: Chelation Therapy Impatience
Posted by: drron
Date: September 28, 2007 1:19 AM

Chelation therapy has minimal or no effect on large, scarred-down plaque. Where it makes its difference is at the level of the smallest arteries, the arterioles, by relaxing them and increasing blood flow. However, this is not easy to measure except in terms of symptom improvement. Because the brain is supplied by six large interconnecting arteries, a blockage in the carotids is not always terribly significant. Usually the real problem which causes symptoms is at the level of the arterioles. Also, it is important to prevent further degeneration of the vascular system and chelation is excellent at that. You should also read up on the usefulness of oral arginine for that purpose. The usual dose is two grams twice daily. If one has no symptoms and can prevent further progression, there is nothing else which needs to be done, even with a disapproving vascular surgeon nay-saying.

Re: Chelation Therapy Impatience
Posted by: drron
Date: September 28, 2007 4:39 PM

No. He has had so few treatments, it is far to early to judge results. At 40 of each there should be at least symptomatic change and probably change on the MRA.

Re: Chelation Therapy Impatience
Posted by: johnsdunn
Date: October 24, 2007 8:11 PM

Thanks for the explanation. Unfortunately, his MRA increased to 94% clogged, which he admits could have happened before he started chelation and Plaquex. So, two weeks ago, he had a 3 hour surgery to clean out his right carotid which the surgeon said was very very nasty. No symptom relief of course. The doctors were all against Chelation therapy and he's given up on that unfortunately. He has started taking lots of vitamin C, which I heard was a mild chelator, excercising even more and eating even less. His new doc put him back on the Coumadin. Is there any other way to clean out the arterioles and arteries that costs considerably less than chelation therapy? He's more patient if it doesn't cost anything.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at October 24, 2007 9:48 PM by Dr. Kennedy.

Re: Chelation Therapy Impatience
Posted by: drron
Date: October 24, 2007 9:47 PM

There was a double-blind cross over study a few years back with radiologists from two different hospitals evaluating each others coronary and carotid arteriograms and then stripping the names off the studies and sending them back to the original radiologists for a second reading. It turned out that there was little agreement between the doctors as to the "percentage" blockage and even little agreement with themselves on the second reading of their own studies. Arteries exist in three dimensions and these studies are made in two dimensions. From these two dimensions it is not possible to accurately state a percentage blockage and thus enters prejudice and bias in reporting the "percentage." As to the last question, the best one could do would be a strict non-fat vegetarian diet and daily exercise. However, as he is not my patient, I am not making that recommendation, but merely reflecting common medical knowledge.



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