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Candida Sporanox and SanPharma Protocol
Posted by: Andy
Date: November 17, 2002 11:15 PM

On a recent post today under "Mercury Removal" you mentioned that since the candida yeast is in my gut wall, Sporanox will only suppress candida and it will come back after stopping Sporanox. I was under the impression that Itraconazle is the most broadest spectrum of antifungals, more so than Nizoral and Diflucan and that it kills candida. Also, it has supposedly better tissue penetration. Great Smokies Lab also gave list of prescriptive agents that my yeast species is highly sensitive to. Nizoral and Sporanox were the highest in sensitivity ( 1000 times more potent than garlic.
1) Can you explain why systemic candida won't come back after stopping SanPharma but will after stopping Sporanox? Won't Sporanox kill the yeast.
2) What is the ingredients in SanPharma protocol which makes it so lethal against candida?
3) Will candida ever become resistant to SanPharma Protocol after treatment? I read that it may become resistant to prescription Antifungals.
4) Is SanPharma 10 week protocol financially cheaper than paying for Sporanox which is $295 for 14 days at two pills per day?

RE: Candida Sporanox and SanPharma Protocol
Posted by: Ron Kennedy, M.D.
Date: November 18, 2002 3:29 AM

(1) The SanPharmas both kill the organisms and train the immune system to kill the organisms - which is why you have the stuff in the first place, that is your immune system is incompetent in that area, and the organisms are in a location which makes them invulnerable to antibiotics.

(2) Specific extracts from the target organisms themselves which in that concentration perform both of the functions mentioned above.

(3) Not unless you do more damage to your immune system. If you stay alkaline and avoid heavy metals, it should never be a problem again.

(4) More expensive my a factor of about 4.5, and by that I mean the entire program or SanPharmas, Pekana drainage remedies, and nutritional support.

RE: Candida Sporanox and SanPharma Protocol
Posted by: Andy
Date: November 18, 2002 4:49 AM

Ahh. I see the diferrence now. Sporanox does not train immune system to kill candida. How about Probiotics and Primal Defense(soil organisms)? I know they don't train immune system to kill yeast, but don't they help in any way (keep yeast in check) to prevent yeast from coming back once Sporanox kills the yeast? Although, those would probably need to be taken every day for maintenance purposes unlike SanPharma 10 week course, right? The treatment I am going through now calls for Sporanox to kill the yeast, amino acid supplements to raise my defficient essential aminos that were very low on Great Smokies Amino Acid Profile(Plasma) analysis and other nutritional supplements to raise immunity and probiotics/Primal Defense to keep it from overgrowing again. This treatment is to go on for three months (Oct 1 until Dec 31). Of course I am to continue with probiotics/primal defense to keep yeast in check and slowly introduce complex carbohydrates. There are so many protocols out there that it can get very confusing. I know my immune system is imbalanced due to high mercury, defficiency in essential amino acids, and dysbiosis as well as Positive high titers for EBV and HHV6. Any thoughts on my current treatment? Is it still possible to relapse with candida at end of my current treatment unlike the SanPharma protocol? I am over half way through with treatment and feel I am improving with more energy, although I do notice more gas 2 hours after taking Sporanox. On the other hand, I don't want to go through the fatigue symptoms and low concentration again either.
Does SanPharma also address and train immune system to kill HHV6 and EBV? I am now taking targeted transfer factor made specifically for these two.

How long have you been using this protocol successfully for systemic candida and on roughly how many patients?




RE: Candida Sporanox and SanPharma Protocol
Posted by: Andy
Date: November 18, 2002 8:19 AM

One last post just to make sure I follow you on SanPharma retraining immune system to kill off yeast. Please let me know if my reasoning is flawed on following thought.

Let's assume my current treatment above is successful after 3 months in killing off systemic candida and/or keeping it at small amounts in gut so that the good flora can prevail in gut. Eventually amalgams will be removed, then chelation to follow and I stay alkaline and use chlorella. Now, since I am using probiotics in addition to the probioticHSO Primal Defense, that would keep the candida from overgrowing and keep it in check and from becoming systemic like it did before . Isn't this the same end result as using the SanPharma protocol The first keeps the candida from outgrowing the other healthy flora and becoming systemic while the latter protocol transforms the pathogen back to it's benign form so it is not harmful anymore.

In essence both protocols help in controlling candida so it won't take over the gut wall and possibly become systemic.

RE: Candida Sporanox and SanPharma Protocol
Posted by: Ron Kennedy, M.D.
Date: November 18, 2002 4:37 PM

There are all sorts of protocols and approaches around to try to suppress symptoms and what you have described is one of them. They all beg the issue which is gut wall infection. Only the SanPharmas deal with that. For any approach to work requires the mercury to be removed from the body both as big chunks from the teeth and at the elemental level with chelation agents. If you have dental amalgam and you are on a program, any program, you are just spinning your wheels. However, if you have a gut wall infection and you only remove the mercury, you will still have a sick gut.

That business about transforming a species of candida into a benign form is pie in the sky. Also, you are not dealing with just candida, that is only the code name for yeast, fungus, and anaerobic bacteria. The immune system must be trained to deal with all three classes or you will never get well or at least you will never be off a heavy duty maintenance program. the maintenance program. Once in the gut wall, these organisms do not leave by any conventional therapy. It is a chronic infection. If you cannot go off your program without becoming dysbiotic, you have a chronic gut wall infection.

I have used the SanPharmas for two years, as that is how long they have been available in the U.S. and the therapy itself has been used in Germany for over 30 years. It has an excellent track record.

RE: Candida Sporanox and SanPharma Protocol
Posted by: Ron Kennedy, M.D.
Date: November 18, 2002 4:41 PM

Once again, if you have had systemic infection the organism is firmly planted in the gut wall and is not coming out with any conventional therapy. A similar situaton prevails in herpes. While the infection may be held in check, whenever the immune system is weakened here it comes again. The difference is that we have nothing to kill out the herpes virus.

RE: Candida Sporanox and SanPharma Protocol
Posted by: Andy
Date: November 18, 2002 4:54 PM

With all due respect, I got the "transforming a species of candida into a benign form" information information from your web page

[www.medical-library.net]

The following qoute is from your URL.

"These preparations work systemically (on the whole body) although their effectiveness can be enhanced by local application. Unlike antibiotics and other drugs that often require strong doses to kill disease causing agents, the SanPharma remedies work by changing the harmful micro-organism in the body fluids to non-aggressive forms, which permits gentle self-healing. The acid producing stages down and excreted through natural channels liver, kidneys, sweat glands, GI and respiratory tracts. "

Can you explain the discrepancy? I thought "benign" is same as "non-aggressive" or "non-harmful."

RE: Candida Sporanox and SanPharma Protocol
Posted by: Ron Kennedy, M.D.
Date: November 18, 2002 4:59 PM

That's a bit of a misconception and I should reword it. There are benign varieties of candida and they make up a minor part of a normal flora. They are crowded out by the agressive forms and when the agressive forms disappear the benign forms have a space to exist again and thus reappear.

RE: Candida Sporanox and SanPharma Protocol
Posted by: Andy
Date: November 18, 2002 5:27 PM

OK. So the agressive forms of candida/yeast/fungus are transformed and excreted due to SanPharma Protocol and that way the benign varieties of candida can exist in small amounts and coexist with the other normal healthy flora. Thanks so much for the lesson.



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